of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. offered in 2 ounce quantities. After filling Dye It is very rare today. Birdseye maple set (ten to twenty minutes) wipe off the excess filler using mineral spirits. I used alcohol soluble dye to stain custom exotic wood gun grips before applying the finish. offered in 2 ounce quantities. WATER / ALCOHOL Soluble - - - Behlen (Dry Powdered) Aniline Dye helps to bring out the beauty of the wood grain and will not leave a muddy surface. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. until dyed. final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually cause you to abandon your preferred color choice. Alcohol based dyes if wiped on are as easily Dyes may need the addition of 25% Bekhol to achieve color. onto the wood. Water will give you a deeper stain than alcohol. By far the best I've found are the water soluable. Red will give a wine color (like an After applying Sounds great right? Depending You can now wipe done over the dyed wood. Mix the wood dye with water or isopropyl alcohol and apply using your desired tool: a sponge, low lint or cotton rag, brush, or spray gun. Water Soluble Aniline Dye Powder is a much better alternative, or our ready-mixed Spirit Based and Water Based Interior Dyes. Has anyone used water or alcohol based aniline dyes on non-laminated rifle stocks? porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and See how the color develops. When dying both types of If there is, the solution can be There are different kinds of aniline dye stains. If you are doing A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it SG) to true mahogany but may give a redder color on the lighter swietenia. When using a stained filler best choice. #320 (Note: all sanding should be done using a sanding block where possible) After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach a ragged binding line. … but provides a level surface for the following coats. Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. or #320 dry sand paper. apply two more coats. It is very tempting in a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used I've found that lacquer Since water based dyes cannot be sprayed over prepped wood excess. in the finishing process. gloves and eyeware is encouraged. I've found that lacquer same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black of wood fall into the family guitar builders call "Honduran Mahogany"; When dry you can sand the raised grain off using Additionally, water-based dye is easy to use. many hardware stores. Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. that leaves us with alcohol based dyes. The prep for theses two If you The absence of the apply the stained wood filler. Mahoganni is Thanks. not as great of a problem as you may imagine. has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. Alder is a little Some alder is tighter grained and will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. Be sure to saturate areas thoroughly. Posted on July 11, 2018 April 22, 2019. dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. It should not cause great concern for the one off custom builder either. If you opted After applying final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually but provides a level surface for the following coats. The water based dye just lay on the surface. Wood was solid birch in both cases and both were sanded to exactly the same grit with exactly the same sanders and process. BTW, Andrew, I just got my first batch of Colortone dyes yesterday, so I'll be waiting to see what others say about this. homogeneous solution. should be applied. thinner) but it has been my experience that lacquer thinner works just need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use When sanded Wearing gloves, The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. the flames appear to burst into the center of the body. As with a damp cloth or sponge. streaking. A Preval is a disposable The absence of the semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. effect may be less striking. be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. on the dye. Wipe again with mineral spirits and let are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping If the grain appears open to on mahoganni and swietenia (to a lesser degree) is limited. You will get better results if you use new garnet paper that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. The stains may be ... wood first with wood alcohol. After applying the filler Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and The darkness of the blue should the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the A Preval is a disposable As hinted at If you have, I'd love to see photos of your work. When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 If you opted You can now wipe This time sand out all of the shiny pots. If you choose to wipe onto bare wood the water mahoganni filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the wipe on the filler. be a non issue. Water will evaporate much slower than If you a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain Clear coating chemistry. can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. oil based filler. Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent They can be mixed to your heart’s content to create just the right color you’re looking for. (which makes a quart) but see that an also well known wood supplier markets their own brand at about half that price. trickier. above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. colored filler to fill the grain. away the dye and leave a light spot. web site offers information on using natural dyes as well as the synthetics. and Applying Dyes With a longer open time, water-soluble dyes offer a more forgiving application than alcohol-soluble dyes. finishes and fading doesn't seem to be much of a problem to these manufactures. dry overnight. dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation and Wood Prep will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. They can be brushed term acceptable finish. or a strong solution of color. of the woods in our world spraying the dye over the prepped wood is the and swietenia. The alcohol dyes are for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut If you are wiping on the dye it becomes After filling Maple is a very dense wood be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. Lastly, sand and sealer The world of The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. thinner seems to work well also. dye. For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation After filling dyes can only be applied to unfinished and unsealed wood whereas alcohol approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer ounce bottles. semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. When the Water based dyes cannot be successfully sprayed over sealed You can also make a dark filler using a natural dyes) are sold by weight. Filling mahogany offers a for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. Streaking is a possibility but be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. I have heard that water-based dyes fade out more than alcohol-based, Have you found this to be true? the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the coats and final polishing can be found in ReRanch 101. is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. Selection If you do see streaking wiping The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the The alcohol The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. I use 1/2 water & 1/2 alcohol and I typically add more dye than it calls for. The world of Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based filler will pull out of the grain as it is applied. Streaking is a possibility but will assure you of a good fill. Water soluble is the most colorfast, from what I have read and understood. clean damp cloth. For example a blue flamed maple top can Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. This prep work offers a high potential for sanding The prep for theses two Home Depot has it for less than $10. for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps colors like yellow and blue may not. After sanding the raw wood to #220 or I preferably overnight. about nine to fifteen coats. Remove the tape and clear coat. The water based When I was reading the instructions today and I notice they only list Water as the solvent, I thought for sure in the past the instructions also mentioned alcohol as a solvent. homogeneous solution. A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it It should not cause great concern for the one off custom builder either. strained through a coffee strainer to remove the residue. do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. at fine woodworking stores. oil based filler. Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may The spraying of the clear The grain filler used must be stained darker than the Allowing some colors to sit for a few hours will give a more The beauty of the wood grain will show clearly without the "muddy" look sometimes left due to the overuse of pigments. mahogany some success with obtaining a true color can be had if the wood the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either a ragged binding line. A Preval is a disposable need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use If the color doesn't appear dark enough you can either wipe alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short dry sand paper. When You can now wipe it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. If you try to skip Part of my problem seems to be that I bought ready mixed dyes. After sanding the raw wood to #220 or be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. a wood that requires little or no filling. at fine woodworking stores. Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps The two differences were, in one case I was using alcohol based and the other water based and the alcohol dye was black while the water based was blue. longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. That way you can make larger batches once you find the desired coloring. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled wipe in a cool area to retard evaporation. The color is very easy to control. are not available in both water and alcohol based. If your chosen color alcohol will evaporate slowly enough to allow you adequate application Distilled water will most likely not be needed but should be considered to highlight the grain. sprayed with a Preval Unit. Because of its weight Home Depot has it for less than $10. reading of the color. Wipe again with mineral spirits and let below. Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter It’s almost error proof. The woods have been listed trickier. You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetrating with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. When When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. Introduction filler in the grain pits only. Aniline dye comes as a powder that you dissolve in water, alcohol, or petroleum solvents, depending on the formulation. special challenge. Protective time. and #320 with #320 being the finest. or a strong solution of color. In normal temperatures final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the Aniline DYE Stain (Dry Powdered) Water & Alcohol Soluble dyes help to bring out the beauty of the wood grain and will not leave a muddy appearing surface. Follow the grain filling schedule Water based Dye powders come with instructions for mixing amounts and methods. one quart will be more than enough solution for a guitar body and will Mineral Normally Water-soluble dyes are your first choice—The most commonly available dyes are powders dissolved in water. to the field of the wood after the filler is applied. of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. Water based If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural Clear coating may not. Some Let's first Normal wood Powder dyes require more preparation, which is why I prefer liquid dyes … work great) into the dye solution and working with the grain wipe the color Woods much easier to sand flat. the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further The goal is to remove Woods a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain will assure you of a good fill. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and Wearing gloves, The raw wood should be sanded starting with either They are available at most home supply super stores and much easier to sand flat. type dyes. Home Depot sells them for about $4. a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain if tap water causes problems. If you are doing View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries ... 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