Uncle Zo publishes his own opinions for informational and entertainment purposes only. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. With the target is correctly placed at 50 yards, the optics dot will completely cover the colored portion of the corresponding target. Which essentially means you zero at 50 yards and your bullet will hit the same point of aim at 200 yards. Fact is,most common big game loads would be about 3 inches high at 100 yards. Copyright © 2013-2016 ARMA DYNAMICS, LLC. These targets are designed to take advantage of the human eye's natural tendency to center an object within a circle. 200-Yard Zero This is my preferred zero for most big-game hunting in places with a variety of terrain and cover. If you get an iron sight zero at 50 meters, then you zeroed only for 50 meters. Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. It's something I have used for many years … With a 50 yard zero shooting 110gr TSX Black Tip, I’m about .5″ high at 100 yards, back to zero around 125, -2″ around 160 and about -6″ around 200 yards. As such, I think many folks who hold the 50/200 yard zero with high regard and believe the 50 yard and 200 yard zeros will always line up end up using a 50 yard zero and assume the 200 yard zero will line up. My indoor range says 50, but is actually 44. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 50 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. This turns out to be a great zero as it puts be just under an inch high at 100 yards, back to zero around 140 and about 5″ low at 200. To move 1″ with a 1/2 MOA click at 10 yards, you will need 20 clicks and so on… You may remember Frank Proctor’s method for achieving a 50/200 yard zero at 10 yards with your AR-15 that was mentioned here a few months ago. Learn how your comment data is processed. Mar 6, 2013 #4 I zero at 200, inch high at hundred, 5 centimetre clicks up on the turret for 300 ( nearly 6" low at 300) and 7 more for 400. Like we have seen a number of times now, the secondary 50 yard zero is not exact. Again, we see that using a 200 yard zero doesn’t guarantee an exact second zero at 50 yards. D. Dan Newcombe Well-Known Member. Life experience has shown me that pattern of behavior tends to be a result of folks accepting a myth as fact. A Note On Windage Grid lines with click adjustment references and adjustment dial references (1/2 MOA adjustments common on red dot sights). So what does the external ballistic data show us? Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. It’s almost like the folks believed the 50/200 yard zero granted any rifle or cartridge mystical powers to get a good enough hit on any target up to about 250 or 300 yards. Place the target at 25 yards. The table below will include drop data using a 50 yard zero, a 200 yard zero, and 100 yard zero for comparison. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 300 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. The targets are designed to work with a low mount AK optic sight height (2.25" over the bore) using averaged 123gr 7.62x39mm velocities from a 16" barrel. First, zeroing a rifle a 50 yards doesn’t mean we magically get a second zero at 200 yards. Frankly, when I hear folks parrot the exact same praise for anything I start suspecting something might be awry. the 50-200 yard zero I have heard a lot about using a 50-200 yard zero, but would like to know how well it really works. Place the target at 25 yards. VIEW ALL VERSIONS. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 300 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. Simply shoot your groups and use the adjustment references to quickly move your point of impact. Worrying about all the harmonics and every other variable doesn't really matter shooting less than 500. If you zero your rifle (most any modern hunting caliber) at 25 yards, then you will almost certainly be on the paper at 100 or 200 yards. Place the target at 25 yards. He is not a professional hunter, survivalist, self defense instructor, firearms instructor, or competitor. One of the most popular “Battle sight” zeros for the AR-15 is the 50/200. 25 Yard Zero – I don’t care at all for sighting in at 25 yards. …and in reality, with a 25 yard zero you’d have to aim somewhere from 4 to 10 inches low at 100 yards. You can use the windage and elevation adjustment dials to do it: both of them contain 160 clicks in total. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 50/200 yard zero. Bold gray cross-hairs to assist in centering the reticule on the target. It is possible to get pretty close to a 200 yard zero while using a rifle zeroing target at 50 yards. You might be wondering what a 50/200 yard look like if we use a different rifle and cartridge? A 50 yard zero means I will be less than 2" too high or too low out to 200 yards, in the rare case that the unexpected happens and I have to shoot at 300 or 400 yards, I just use holdover that gets me close. Targets at a 100 yards would get a slightly high impact. Does this change if the same rifle is zeroed at 200 yards? Let’s find out. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 100 yard zero. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 300 yard zero. I have never used a 25 or 50 yard zero, never saw any reason to. Once you are zeroed to move the rear sight to 1. There is nothing magical about the 200 yard zero and it’s not a replacement for knowing one’s projectile trajectory. Targets under 50 yards would get a slightly low impact. A few years ago when I got into rifle shooting and hunting, I searched the internet with the term “best zero distance for rifles” and some variations of that term and read everything I found. 1.3" high = 25 yards to 55 yards (1.8 inches to 0.8 inches below line of sight POA/POI = 50 yards to approx 175 yards (1 inch low, zero from 90 to 140, and dropping to 1" low at 175) Here's what holds with the same 1/2 inch leeway look like with a 50 yard zero (similar to a 200 yard zero): 2.3" high = 0 to 16 (2.8 inches to 1.8 inches low) 3060 fps (Factory) 25 yard zero=3.0 inches high at 100 yards.243 Winchester 100gr Hornady Interlock 2960 fps (Factory) 25 yard zero=2.9 inches high at 100 yards. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 100 yard zero. Fifty yards is our initial intersection, and 200 yards is our true zero. Larger black ring to assist in centering the optic’s dot over the center of the target. Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. The initial zero at 25 yards will simply get me on paper at 100 yards but probably nowhere close to where I want to be. Also, be sure to verify this at 300 yards when you can as there may be slight differences in each weapon that may alter the zero (sight over bore height, co-witness, barrel length, ammunition used, etc.). Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. 100 Yard Zero – Not a bad option at all. However, I firmly believe it should be referred to as a 200 yard zero (and actually zeroed at that distance) that provides a usable, but approximate, secondary zero at 50 yards. ARMA DYNAMICS PISTOL TARGETS . Frankly, he is an amateur at best. Worrying about all the harmonics and every other variable doesn't really matter shooting less than 500. Download these targets to assist in your pistol training. If you're lucky you might get the rifle "pretty close" in three or four shots. Using these targets will save time and ammunition, while at the same time providing tighter groups and a better zero. This gives me a lot more confidence in engaging targets up to 200 yards without making elevation adjustments. That’s my current opinion (which is outdated after looking at more zero distances and the maximum point blank range concept covered in this other post) based on analyzing a bunch of external ballistic data like the data presented in this post. … That puts the round on target at 50 yards and 200 yards, with less than a three-inch vertical deviation over that distance. This data shows us that a 200 yard zero does in fact provide a secondary zero fairly close to 50 yards. Once you are zeroed to move the rear sight to 1. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. It is possible to get pretty close to a 200 yard zero while using a rifle zeroing target at 50 yards. You may not have access to a 300-yard rifle range, or even a 200-yard rifle range. The OP was asking about a 200 yrd zero, not a 50. The military 25 yard zero target is designed for iron sights. Typical "zero" is to be an inch or two high at 100 so right on at 200 and not too low at 250. The typical 5.56 rifle zero is a 50 yard/meter zero. It’s also the zero that’s used with Leupold and Trijicon’s optics, as zeroing at 50 yards will align the trajectory with the reticle. We offer pistol fundamental targets and zero targets for those running red dot optics on their pistols. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 100 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. Fire your group. First you need to establish that the range is indeed 200 yards and then work out some way of judging 3" aim high point at that distance. 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I can zero at 50 yards and know I can still land a shot at 200 yards. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 50 / 100 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. As such, I think many folks who hold the 50/200 yard zero with high regard and believe the 50 yard and 200 yard zeros will always line up end up using a 50 yard zero and assume the 200 yard zero will line up. You should check that at 100 yards before shooting game. Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. If you follow the adjustment grid it will get you there. That target won't work well for optic zero. The military 25 yard zero target is designed for iron sights. Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. The targets are designed to work with standard AR sight height (2.6" - 2.8" over the bore) using averaged M193 / M855 velocities from a 16" barrel. Ensure your sight is set to mechanical zero. As always, make sure to calculate the differences in clicks in your optics for the shorter range. He promises not to tell you about stuff that’s dumb. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 300 yard zero. This is why you hear people talking (and arguing) about different zeroes such as a 50/200 a 25/300 zero and a 36/300 yard zero. The targets are designed to work with standard AR sight height (2.6" - 2.8" over the bore) using averaged M193 / M855 velocities from a 16" barrel. That is, it goes no higher or lower than 2" off the point of aim out to 172 yards. If you follow the adjustment grid it will get you there. At the same, the secondary zero is much closer to the 50 yard mark when using a 200 yard zero in comparison to how close the secondary 200 yard zero was when using a 50 yard zero. If you zero at 100 yards then as you mentioned it's 3" low at 200 yards. Your rifle is only “zeroed” at the range you zero it at (50 yards, 25 yards, 36 yards, 100 yards) and the second distance will be a close guestimate until you confirm it at range. Place the target at 25 yards. Also, be sure to verify this at 50 yards when you can as there may be slight differences in each weapon that may alter the zero (sight over bore height, co-witness, barrel length, ammunition used, etc.). When zeroed at 25 yards the round will also be zeroed at 300 yards. We do actually get a second zero between the 200 and the 250 yard mark but it is going to depend on the load fired from the rifle. Edit: Just used Winchester Ammunition's ballistic calculator, and gave the same results as the chart when using 55gr FMJ and taking into account the 3" sight height of the optic I … A 50 yard zero allows the shooter to use a simple center-mass hold to ranges of point blank to 200-250 yards, depending on rifle and ammunition combination. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 50 /100 yard zero. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 50 / 100 yard zero with an AK platform using standard velocity 7.62x39mm ammunition. Let’s explore that using the external ballistics data of a bolt action rifle chambered for .30-06 Springfield with a sight height of 1.5″ shooting a 178 grain ELD-X Precision Hunter cartridge from Hornady. Mar 7, … That's a little close. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. I think it’s important to note that it’s harder to find shooting ranges with rifle shooting lanes that go out beyond 100 yards. Several forums had posts swearing that at 50 yard zero was the absolute best because it always gave you the same point of impact at 200 yards and therefore one could easily engage targets up to 200 yards (and even a bit further) with it without giving much thought to making adjustments. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 50 yard zero. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 50/200 yard zero. With the gun zeroed to impact a 200-yard target dead center, the same .30-06 will be 1.72 inches high at 100 yards and 7.66 inches low at 300 yards. Zeroing a rifle at 50 yards and assuming the secondary 200 yard zero will be usable is a mistake. The flip side to this is a much wider trajectory deviation beyond 200 yards. If you sight in dead-on at 25 yards you're cool out to 172 yards. The targets are ‘calibrated’ for use at 50 yards to obtain the 50y/200m improved zero. Will a rifle sighted for 50 yards (ascending bullet) really be on target for 200 as the bullet descends? 10 Meter Adjusted 50/200 Meter Zeroing Target; Instructions. (click on the graphic below for the full series). guys keep in mind that inside 100-200 yards the caliber doesn't matter nearly as much as the height over bore of the sights. ALL TARGETS ARE DESIGNED TO BE PRINTED ON STANDARD 8.5" X 11" PAPER. Concepts such as what you’re promoting are akin to the military 25/300 zeros that allow for a person to miss head shots as close as 100 yards because of the higher allowed maximum ordinate. Zeroing the EOTech at 25 yards will give an accurate aim point out to 300 yards. We have created a series of graphics to compare the different zeros for various barrel length and ammunition combinations to better choose what works best for your needs. First is the trajectory deviation between 50 and 200 yards is much narrower when using a 200 yard zero. The targets are designed to work with a low mount AK optic sight height (2.25" over the bore) using averaged 123gr 7.62x39mm velocities from a 16" barrel. Don’t worry, Uncle Zo only writes about, and promotes, products or services that he’s personally purchased, used, and believes in. After setting the front and rear sights to mechanical zero, place a 10 meter adjusted 50/200 meter zeroing target down range at the 10 meter mark. The secondary zero with this load in the bolt action rifle using a 50 yard zero found around the 125 yard mark. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 300 yard zero. A more subtle, but also interesting thing to note, is that we do get a secondary zero around 60 yards when using a zero distance of 100 yards albeit it’s not a very usable secondary zero. We also provide adjusted range versions for those who only have access to a short range (25 yards), but want a 50/200 or 100 yard zero. Perhaps more interesting, is that a 50 yard zero doesn’t even come close to providing a decent secondary zero at 200 yards. Cold and Clean Rifle Barrel. Fifty yards, or 36 yards, or 25 meters are typically quite accessible. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. The 50/200 and similar type zeroes are a myth. Ensure printer scaling is set to either 'off' or '100%' for proper print dimensions on all targets. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. Whereas, like I discussed earlier, the 50 yard zero is pretty flat shooting from zero to 200 yards. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. My abilities, the rifle’s capabilities, and the ammunition ballistic characteristics determine where on the paper at 100 yards the round is going to impact. Fire your group. That said there is still some truth to the claim that the 50 yard zero can be used to engage a target out to about 250 yards without having to worry much about making an elevation adjustment as long as the target larger than the projectile’s trajectory deviation plus the precision deviation of the cartridge and rifle combination. Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. If you follow the adjustment grid it will get you there. While I think the 50/200 yard zero has its merits, I think a lot of folks hold it in very high regard while also holding some misconceptions about it. You set the rear sight to 3/8 to zero at 25. With this being said, we also realize that what works for one does not necessarily work for another. ARMA DYNAMICS recommends a 50 yard zero for your AR-15 rifle. Your mileage may vary. 25 yard zero=2.77 inches high at 100 yards.270 WCF Winchester Silvertip 130gr. 200 yards zero you will be 1 inch high at 100.around 5 inch down at 300, Claret_Dabbler Well-Known Member. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. The targets are designed to work with standard AR sight height (2.6" - 2.8" over the bore) using averaged M193 / M855 velocities from a 16" barrel. In this video, I show you how to zero your rifle at 25 yards for 200. Also, be sure to verify this at 100 yards when you can as there may be slight differences in each weapon that may alter the zero (sight over bore height, co-witness, barrel length, ammunition used, etc.). … And so on. Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. Reason 3: The 50 Yard Zero Is Attainable For Most Shooters… The table below will show the drop experience by a couple of different 5.56 NATO loads in 50 yard increments out to 300 yards. You set the rear sight to 3/8 to zero at 25. That target won't work well for optic zero. Using an MPBR zero, you can also zero at shorter ranges. With a 50 yard zero, your bullet will only be about 1.57 inches above the line of sight at 100 yards and height maxes out just over 2 inches above around 150 yards. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! That trajectory crosses the 100 yard mark at 2" high, and the 150 yard mark at 1.09" high. Uncle Zo sometimes publishes affiliate links and advertisements, which means that if you click on a link and buy something, Uncle Zo might receive a percentage of the sale, at no extra cost to you. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. My XCR and AK are both weapons I plan to use at 200 yards or less. Carefully aim and fire a three-shot group center mass of the top silhouette. On all of the targets, the 100-yard reference always the highest impact point. For example, assuming we can consistently shoot 1 MOA groups with rifle and cartridge at 250 yards the smallest engage-able target with the 75 grain load would be about 4.63″ (2.13″ for trajectory deviation plus a 2.5″ group size) in diameter. Recently got into a discussion about different zero distances that included the topic of the 50/200 yard zero distance for riflescopes. Set up a paper target exactly 25 yards downrange of your shooting platform. Bottom line is 50/200 yard zeros are very usable for many applications. If you want to be zeroed for 200 meters, then you need to put your target out at 200 yards and finalize your zero. However, this requires using a chronograph to get an accurate velocity reading and a ballistic calculator to determine the expected trajectory deviation at 50 yards. The 100-yard “All Purpose Zero” Compared to the targets from 25, 50, 200, and 300 yards, you probably noticed that a 100-yard zero really isn’t all that useful as a point-blank zero. The Point Blank Range of this round is 172 yards. With a zero of 100 yards the .223/5.56 round will impact approx 3/4″ low at 50 yards and around 2.25″ low at 200 yards. This probably the second most common zero distance for a riflescope next to the proverbial 100 yard zero that is often vehemently defended as the ultimate zero distance. Fire your group. There are some interesting and important differences between a 50 yard zero and the 200 yard zero also highlighted by this additional data. The black ring will assist in correctly centering the optic over the target for a near perfect hold (depending on if you do your part). Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Fire your group. 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